< MajObviousman> on the flip side, engineers need managers/salesmen/marketing/useless folks because ... have you ever seen an engineer try to sell to the average end user?
< ninjabox> I love watching managers congratulate each other on getting things done
< MajObviousm> it's like they're speaking different languages
< MajObviousm> ain't nothing would ever be sold
< drijen> MajObviousman: i sold to the avg end user all the time
< MajObviousman> drijen: what does that say about you then?
< ninjabox> ooooooooo